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e-Gloomy-nations
Sat Dec 02, 2017 7:27 pm
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The Importance Of Honest Feedback On Your Music (And How To Get It)
By our good friend, Firewalk..
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Michael Mckeon
Sun Dec 03, 2017 1:11 am
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Great Tips on how to get your Tracks Noticed, but in all honesty, isn't it just common knowledge lol
Common knowledge isn't so common anymore, is it?
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e-Gloomy-nations
Sun Dec 03, 2017 3:18 am
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No, it isn't. But I didn't knew that the best feedback comes from people who don't know anything about music, like friends and family
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steevm
Sun Dec 03, 2017 12:12 pm
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Gloomer wrote:
No, it isn't. But I didn't knew that the best feedback comes from people who don't know anything about music, like friends and family
Caveat: not watched the video yet (we're doing home improvement and this is my 15 minute break).
"Best" is probably not the right word. It gives you different perspectives. Musicians et al will always have a different way of listening to music, and will approach it from a much more technical perspective. People for whom music is just "fun stuff" will have a totally different reaction. They generally hear the music as a whole, whereas we have a tendency to focus on the details. I can't hear a pop song without hearing the chord progression, for example. My wife might notice that two pop songs sound similar, because the chord progression is the same. But for her, the quality of the sameness is different. Two different songs with the same chords in two completely different genres might not provoke this reaction, whereas I will still be going I V vi IV in my head.
And of course, that means the language of the feedback is often different. "You need to sing like you are singing in a tomb" my wife said about my Goff-inspired forum contest entry. Of course she's right! But to us that means "you need to put a decent amount of reverb on the vocals, not too big a room, and low dampening".
I'll put this into context with an analogy. I have written lots of software documentation in the past, and I would sometimes get my wife to read sections of it as part of the quality control. Sure, people at work would review the docs etc., but these were all technical people with in-depth knowledge of the software. Their approach to the application was totally different from that of someone new to the software. So if I wanted to know if something was understandable to someone without any prior knowledge, I would ask my wife for feedback.
She would give very different feedback - about the way things are worded, the order in which concepts are presented. Suggest alternative ways of structuring the information. The technical gurus would tell me if something was wrong, incomplete, or missing. Both sets of information are equally important. The documentation should be easy to understand AND contain all the correct information. The best feedback is diverse feedback.
One other thing: you've got to be careful with feedback from friends and family, because sometimes that feedback isn't truthful. Your mum might think everything you do is golden. Your girlfriend might not want to hurt your feelings. Your best friend might not have listened to the track and just said it's awesome to stop you bugging him.
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e-Gloomy-nations
Sun Dec 03, 2017 12:27 pm
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steevm wrote:
One other thing: you've got to be careful with feedback from friends and family, because sometimes that feedback isn't truthful. Your mum might think everything you do is golden. Your girlfriend might not want to hurt your feelings. Your best friend might not have listened to the track and just said it's awesome to stop you bugging him.
So true too !!
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steevm
Fri Dec 15, 2017 10:11 pm
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I finally watched the video and he says half the stuff I wrote
What's cool about something like these forums is that we all a shared interest in getting good feedback. It's like having a producer (in the actual sense of the word) on hand to keep you in check. It can be very difficult to break out of your bubble, and when it comes to getting a technical point of view, general music forums are pretty good.
I'd be more cautious about feedback from people who are in a particular niche. If make epic dark trap, and only get feedback from other people making the same genre, you won't ever get an outside perspective. It's easy to enter an echo chamber full of people with the same interests who are all patting each other on the back but not actually offering meaningful feedback. These forums have a great spread of skill level and musical interests, which gives much more balanced feedback on how your track comes across to others. Everyone here is a listener too, not just a musician. There's a lot of different tastes on here; a track that is liked by a lot of people is probably a good one with broad appeal. That's good to know, for example!
And that's the one thing I think the video missed out on. How to evaluate the feedback in context. How to figure out who is honest and who is not. Your mum might actually be brutally honest, after all. But you can only know if that's the case if you get varied feedback and evaluate her feedback in the context of all the feedback.
Same on this forum: you don't want to just read the feedback, you want to know how relevant the feedback is; what it really means. Especially if you listen to other users' tracks and pay attention to what they like and don't like, you can evaluate their feedback in context. Some people are very good at the technical side (mixing, sound design). Others are better songwriters or cello players. If Gabriel Golden Ears says your mix has a problem, he's almost certainly right. If Courtney McWestern doesn't like your heavily compressed kick, it doesn't mean the same thing as when Harry "Turn it to 11" Hardcore says you need to back off the compression a bit. If Hammy Spammy posts "great track" in every thread, you know he's just trying to get attention, not actually providing feedback. Your track might suck balls.
Which really means, to get something out of a community, you need to put something in to the community. That's not just providing feedback, but interacting with the others and understanding their musical interests. The cool thing is we all like music and we all like discussing music, so it's actually fun to do so, as well as rewarding.
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e-Gloomy-nations
Sat Dec 16, 2017 2:06 am
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Re: Must see : The Importance Of Honest Feedback On Your Music (And How To Get It)
thank you for your input Steevm !
Yes,you and me are getting a lot of attention on our music.. That's simply due to the fact that we're feedbacking so many tracks.. Some people do give feedback in return. We all learn from each other. So all a BIG THANKS for that !
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donkeytugger
Sat Dec 16, 2017 9:53 am
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Gloomer wrote:
steevm wrote:
One other thing: you've got to be careful with feedback from friends and family, because sometimes that feedback isn't truthful. Your mum might think everything you do is golden. Your girlfriend might not want to hurt your feelings. Your best friend might not have listened to the track and just said it's awesome to stop you bugging him.
So true too !!
As always things are a little different in Yorkshire, where they, to put it mildly, speak their mind. Someone at work (OK, I'm his boss's boss....for context) pestered me on a works night out to listen to some of my music (I never ask them to listen to it at work ever) so I played him a song; "....that's actually good, I expected it would be shit".
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steevm
Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:04 pm
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donkeytugger wrote:
Gloomer wrote:
steevm wrote:
One other thing: you've got to be careful with feedback from friends and family, because sometimes that feedback isn't truthful. Your mum might think everything you do is golden. Your girlfriend might not want to hurt your feelings. Your best friend might not have listened to the track and just said it's awesome to stop you bugging him.
So true too !!
As always things are a little different in Yorkshire, where they, to put it mildly, speak their mind. Someone at work (OK, I'm his boss's boss....for context) pestered me on a works night out to listen to some of my music (I never ask them to listen to it at work ever) so I played him a song; "....that's actually good, I expected it would be shit".
Yes, but when you are lucky to have one rock to bang together to keep the family entertained between 25 hour shifts at the mill, your perspective is skewed.
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donkeytugger
Sat Dec 16, 2017 8:50 pm
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steevm wrote:
donkeytugger wrote:
Gloomer wrote:
steevm wrote:
One other thing: you've got to be careful with feedback from friends and family, because sometimes that feedback isn't truthful. Your mum might think everything you do is golden. Your girlfriend might not want to hurt your feelings. Your best friend might not have listened to the track and just said it's awesome to stop you bugging him.
So true too !!
As always things are a little different in Yorkshire, where they, to put it mildly, speak their mind. Someone at work (OK, I'm his boss's boss....for context) pestered me on a works night out to listen to some of my music (I never ask them to listen to it at work ever) so I played him a song; "....that's actually good, I expected it would be shit".
Yes, but when you are lucky to have one rock to bang together to keep the family entertained between 25 hour shifts at the mill, your perspective is skewed.
I think they only put me in some position of responsibility as they saw me as some kind of fancy intellectual from over th'hill who could read and stuff.
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Aleix Fontanet
Mon Dec 18, 2017 1:23 am
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Thanks Gloomer on the feedback from the feedback :wink: As a wise composer said, "I've not finished a song when finnished adding, I've finnished the song when finnished removing sounds".
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steevm
Mon Dec 18, 2017 2:07 am
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Aleix Fontanet wrote:
Thanks Gloomer on the feedback from the feedback :wink: As a wise composer said, "I've not finished a song when finnished adding, I've finnished the song when finnished removing sounds".
Wasn't that Saint-Exupery who said:
Antoine de Saint-Exupery wrote:
A designer knows he has achieved perfection not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away.
(except not in English of course)
There's a lot of truth to it.
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Aleix Fontanet
Mon Dec 18, 2017 2:16 am
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steevm wrote:
Aleix Fontanet wrote:
Thanks Gloomer on the feedback from the feedback :wink: As a wise composer said, "I've not finished a song when finnished adding, I've finnished the song when finnished removing sounds".
Wasn't that Saint-Exupery who said:
Antoine de Saint-Exupery wrote:
A designer knows he has achieved perfection not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away.
(except not in English of course)
There's a lot of truth to it.
That's exactly what I ment, just forgot the exact words :lol: thank you for the research, didn't know who said that :wink:
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steevm
Thu Dec 28, 2017 11:11 pm
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This topic got me wondering about what makes good feedback. I assume this would be a good place to ask...
I can only speak for myself, but I feel there are two types of feedback:
Personal feedback about how you perceived the track emotionally (Did you like it? What did it make you think of? What did it remind you of?)
Technical feedback as a musician/sound engineer/producer
There's also a bit of overlap - you might not like the song as much as you could because you think the arrangement is weak, or there are poor sound choices, or the mix is a complete mess. That said, I'd like to think it's possible for us as musicians to look past these technical deficiencies (unless they are extreme) and recognise a good song in a bad mix/recording.
Feedback on the first aspect is the easiest to give - if you like the song, let the creator know! Whether you like the post, the song on SC, the video on YT, or post a quick "Nice" or "Great job" comment in the thread or on those platforms, those things are generally appreciated much more than the effort it takes to write them. I'm not saying you should spam every thread with the same comment of course
If the song suggests a certain emotion or image, share that. It helps the artist know if their song has the effect they wanted. If you don't like the song because of the genre, but can recognise that it will appeal to people who like that kind of thing, say so.
Feedback on the second is harder, as it depends on your skill levels, the genre and also personal motivation. What I try and do - and I assume this is what makes the most sense - is to try and comment on those aspects where I think I can actually provide useful input and where I think they will help the artist. There's less point trying to help someone mix a track if they are still having trouble with the songwriting aspect IMO. After all, you should mix the song when it's finished, not as you go along. At least, that's one thing I've learnt and taken to heart over the past 6 months or so.
I'm not so sure about negative feedback though. If I really don't like a track, and have no constructive input on how to improve it, I prefer to not post anything and accept that it just isn't for me. If I think that there are reasons I don't like a track that go beyond personal taste, I will try and be constructive and suggest improvements.
Anyway, this got me wondering what kind of feedback other people find useful. So share you thoughts! What helps you improve personally? What makes good feedback in your opinion? Do you agree with the above, or am I talking nonsense?
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e-Gloomy-nations
Fri Dec 29, 2017 1:45 am
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If one says : "I like your track" or "it's a good one", than I'm very happy already.. Of course it's nice to receive more extended feedback too. :-)
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JKillz1
Fri Dec 29, 2017 2:02 am
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This is a fantastic topic! Thanks Gloomer for bringing this up and sharing the video
I can only speak from my perspective, but with a learn as I go (including reading and watching vids) mentality, I won't try to pretend to know all the ins and outs of producing. With that in mind, I look to provide what I think is the best feedback I can. I try to start from the vantage point of a pure music lover and give my initial feedback based on that. In some cases when a track is just really not my thing, I won't even comment because I don't think it would be fair.
Once I get that out of the way, I will do what I can to provide more technical feedback. This is usually where I will give my "I am no expert" disclaimer and try to speak in a more general sense of what I perceive to be an area to focus on or improve (muddy low end, highs are too loud), things of that sort.
Lastly, I have been getting better at the "pay it forward" concept. I try to listen to 5-10 tracks and give some form of feedback before sharing something of my own. It just doesn't seem right to expect help when not offering any of my own.
Gloomer, I can definitely say you were a good influence in my early days, seeing how dedicated you were/are to making sure every track gets at least some feedback. So kudos to you and everyone else that takes time out to give some honest feedback.
PS: I also totally agree with the part about taking negative feedback as a positive. In fact, it makes me hold back in many cases (especially when I know the person is new to producing) since I really never want to offend anyone with my comments.
Anyways, I am getting carried away, thanks again!
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donkeytugger
Fri Dec 29, 2017 8:25 am
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steevm wrote:
After all, you should mix the song when it's finished, not as you go along.
What? Err..Ey?
Actually, to me (being slightly 'messy' in one's working practices) the sound/mix/arrangement all seem part of the same process -very rarely do I write a song, then record it, then mix it. They all overlap I think..but that's a different topic.
I do agree that there's absolutely no point in someone just saying, "your song's crap..." or some other nonsense and if I really don't like something it's just as likely to be my taste as it being rubbish. I've been in this game long enough (blah, blah blah..) to know a bit about arranging/songwriting, a bit less about effects and mixing/mastering, and one day will learn the names of the chords - I usually also comment if I therefore think I can add something, or if something is really impressive.
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steevm
Fri Dec 29, 2017 1:44 pm
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donkeytugger wrote:
steevm wrote:
After all, you should mix the song when it's finished, not as you go along.
What? Err..Ey?
Actually, to me (being slightly 'messy' in one's working practices) the sound/mix/arrangement all seem part of the same process -very rarely do I write a song, then record it, then mix it. They all overlap I think..but that's a different topic. Not any more
Well there is a reasoning behind the madness. The basic idea is this: mixing is about tweaking the sounds in context. Without context, you are just tweaking the sounds. That's sound design, not mixing.
Let's take an extreme case. You have added a kick drum to your thumping tune (which only consists of the kick drum). You spend an hour adding compression and EQ and that kick on its own sounds thunderous! Then you add the snare. What happens if your snare and kick are conflicting in certain frequencies? Your might want to EQ them a bit, for example, or add bus compression to glue everything together. You now you need to tweak the EQ settings on both your kick and snare, and then set up the drum bus to sound great with snare and kick. So you've now tweaked the kick EQ twice. Then you add some hats. Now the bus compressor is reacting totally differently than it did to just snare and kick. Another round of changing everything ensues.
If you work like that, you will end up spending 10 hours writing the song and another 10 hours tweaking everything each time you add a new part. And 9 of those hours of tweaking will be for nought. You'll end up spending an hour on the final mix at the end anyway. You could just spend 11 hours on the song for the same (or generally better) results. What I find tends to happen if you go crazy during the composition process is that changes you make to one track have knock on effects on multiple other tracks (e.g. bus FX no longer react correctly), and you actually end up spending another 20 hours mixing the track at the end in addition to the 9 hours of tweaking, fighting what you did in those 9 hours because every small change requires another 15 small changes that all require changes. I'd rather just do all this stuff once and properly.
There's no point in trying to "mix" your drums on their own - you need the rest of the song to be able to put the drums in the proper context. Trying to "mix" a single track in isolation and then adding the next instrument part and "mixing" that just ends up with pointless tail-chasing as you redo the mix each time the full sound changes. What sounds great in isolation doesn't necessarily sound great in a full mix. And often the tracks in the full mix sound a bit shite in isolation because you've made room for the other elements. You'd mix "New England" (just guitar and vox) very differently from "The Few" (full band, lots of guitar tracks, brass stabs). So in the latter case, so you probably have nothing to gain from recording the main guitar and vox, and mixing them to sound good on their own. That won't work in the busy mix.
That's not to say there isn't a certain amount of basic mixing that makes sense as you build up the track. Setting the relative volumes in the right ballpark makes sense. Compressing vocals immediately makes sense, as they tend to get lost otherwise. Panning things so they aren't all occupying the same space makes sense. I find anything immediately accessible from the mixer interface is fair game. It's easy to change quickly and you get immediate visual feedback on what your settings are. EQing out resonant frequencies also is fine - you're going to do that anyway. Complex FX chains with sub-groups and sends? Less so, especially if you come back to the track a few weeks later and have forgotten what you've already done. Do you really remember what every bus and send is doing in a track you made a while ago without having a look? I don't!
I guess it also depends on where you draw the line between "mixing" and "sound design". To me, tweaking the amp's treble and mid settings might have a similar effect to adding EQ, but is part of the sound design. Even if I'll sometimes come back to tweak the amp settings to improve the guitar in the mix later.
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donkeytugger
Fri Dec 29, 2017 4:44 pm
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steevm wrote:
That's sound design, not mixing.
'Sound design', that's just made up shite to make people feel important and technical, like 'DAW' (my pet peeve).
What I mean by 'mixing' is the proper old-school, all faders down, all effects off start from scratch job, like in the olden days. I never do that, and bet no-one else really does now either...
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steevm
Fri Dec 29, 2017 5:48 pm
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donkeytugger wrote:
What I mean by 'mixing' is the proper old-school, all faders down, all effects off start from scratch job, like in the olden days. I never do that, and bet no-one else really does now either...
Well, when you're mixing your own stuff it doesn't really make sense. I mean, you've already got it in the rough ballpark in terms of levels et al, right? That approach makes more sense to me when you're mixing someone else's track that you are less familiar with. You'll also presumably only be getting stems, so some of the FX ("sound design") is baked in. So, yes things have definitely changed in that regard.
I've tried the all faders down approach, and I didn't see the point. All you do is set everything roughly a second time and then fine tune. Why not leave the rough settings and fine tune those instead? But I definitely wouldn't recommend starting a mix with a load of compressors activated. If I have a compressor on the master during the composition process, it's only for rendering (loudness), and gets turned off immediately once I'm done.
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donkeytugger
Fri Dec 29, 2017 5:52 pm
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steevm wrote:
donkeytugger wrote:
What I mean by 'mixing' is the proper old-school, all faders down, all effects off start from scratch job, like in the olden days. I never do that, and bet no-one else really does now either...
Well, when you're mixing your own stuff it doesn't really make sense. I mean, you've already got it in the rough ballpark in terms of levels et al, right? That approach makes more sense to me when you're mixing someone else's track that you are less familiar with. You'll also presumably only be getting stems, so some of the FX ("sound design") is baked in. So, yes things have definitely changed in that regard.
I've tried the all faders down approach, and I didn't see the point. All you do is set everything roughly a second time and then fine tune. Why not leave the rough settings and fine tune those instead? But I definitely wouldn't recommend starting a mix with a load of compressors.
People did always used to recommend you did it with every song- if you read old copies of Sound on Sound they love all that malarky. Never saw the point meself. I suppose it was more prevalent in the days of hardware setups where you either mixed it there and then, or noted down all the settings and tried to recreate things later. Those were bad, bad days...
I personally always mix and compose into a (albeit light) compressor, each to their own though!
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Aleix Fontanet
Fri Dec 29, 2017 9:28 pm
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I give feedback because I need it, but the honest truth is that I've come to realize that the general consensus is that if you point out weaknesses of the songs the given feedback is not very welcome. I like to hear that you like my music, of course, but I need you to point out any weakness of my songs even if it's the slightest of the flaws. Unfortunately, it's impossible for me to remember those who really take feedback the way I do, so at least for now, I'm not posting much in your songs. But I'm hearing every thing you guys are posting, so I'm supporting you, silently for the most part, but supporting you. No harm intended to anyone, of course, but when you point out a weakness of the song and the answer is "I understand this music is not for everyone" you loose motivation to give more feedback.
I understand that while you read this you must be thinking "what's wrong whith this guy? is he having a bad day? Is he moaning and why?"
Why do I post this?
I don't think negative feedback exists, feedbacking takes time and energies, and feeling you had a negative feedback won't help you nor the feedbacker. Of course there is bad feedback, if it's technically incorrect it can't be good, but not negative as the guy invested some of his time trying to support you. I think the key element here is ego, this is my biggest flaw, the one that really prevents me from inproving. When I remove it, I unleash the power of knowledge.
May the force of christmass be with you :wink:
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steevm
Wed Jan 03, 2018 3:42 am
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Aleix Fontanet wrote:
I understand that while you read this you must be thinking "what's wrong whith this guy? is he having a bad day? Is he moaning and why?"
Why do I post this?
I don't think negative feedback exists, feedbacking takes time and energies, and feeling you had a negative feedback won't help you nor the feedbacker. Of course there is bad feedback, if it's technically incorrect it can't be good, but not negative as the guy invested some of his time trying to support you.
What I personally find most helpful is when there is information on what is causing the problem and maybe suggestions of how to fix it. This doesn't need to be super-technical. An example of good feedback recently was along the lines of "your trumpet sometimes sounds like a mosquito buzzing in my ear". That's helpful because I now know something is wrong with the trumpet, and it's probably either related to some high frequencies in the trumpet, or the trumpet is just too loud.
That makes the difference between criticism and constructive criticism. "Your low end is messy" isn't necessarily helpful. It's very unspecific for a start. These things can be hard to hear and can require experience to notice and fix. A lot of people on here only have headphones or computer/Hi-Fi speakers, and we'll all have different resonant room frequencies too. I will assume that if the artist could hear the low end well, they'd already have tried to fix it or would be asking specifically for help. So chances are their monitors/headphones aren't giving them that information easily, and that also makes it hard to fix without more information. The more you can help them pinpoint where the problem is, the more likely they are to be able to hear it too, learn to recognise it in future, and be able to fix it. I've been able to fix a few issues that I couldn't hear on my old speakers by using visual aids after problems were pointed out. Those speakers essentially hid everything below ~80-100Hz. Got new monitors recently; it's great to be able to hear the kick when mixing the drums!
You also get blind/deaf to your own stuff, hearing it they way you expect it to be, not the way it is. A good example of this is when DT pointed out that my drum kit didn't fit the song. Only then did I realise that I had just selected a random kit to get a rough beat going when starting the song. I was so used to the way it sounded, I hadn't ever realised that it wasn't a good choice of kit.
Of course you might not always know what's causing an issue, so pointing it out is still a good thing.
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Glasman
Fri Feb 09, 2018 10:33 pm
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Think this is an awesome thread and some very good discussions here, wonder if there is anyway ADMIN could make this subject a sticky
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steevm
Sat Feb 10, 2018 12:31 am
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You *might* have more success with that if you post in looptalk. Scott does sometimes come in here, but I don't think the threads are visited all that regularly by the IL staff. Not like the looptalk stuff.
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steevm
Tue Apr 17, 2018 5:07 pm
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@Glasman: Did you ever contact anyone at IL/post in Looptalk about making this a sticky?
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steevm
Tue Apr 17, 2018 5:10 pm
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Antoine de Saint-Exupery wrote:
A designer knows he has achieved perfection not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away.
Aleix Fontanet wrote:
That's exactly what I ment, just forgot the exact words :lol: thank you for the research, didn't know who said that
You obviously never played enough Civilization IV...
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steevm
Tue Apr 17, 2018 5:14 pm
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donkeytugger wrote:
What I mean by 'mixing' is the proper old-school, all faders down, all effects off start from scratch job, like in the olden days. I never do that, and bet no-one else really does now either...
I'd venture that audiosabre might...
I've actually done this a few times myself. It can help get new perspective on things. But I agree with what you say about there being a different approach to things these days, when it's the same person doing the recording, arranging, mixing and producing. So yeah, most of the time I'll put the faders in the rough ballpark of where they belong and then just fine-tune as necessary.
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e-Gloomy-nations
Wed May 02, 2018 5:10 pm
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Re: The Importance Of Honest Feedback On Your Music (And How To Get It)
This video was made by Firewalk from Norway, member of this forum.
All credits go to him. He does a lot of things, producing great music, creating cool and clear tutorials, he gives professional comments on your tracks, etc..
This is were you can find him. Everything is on his Youtube channel :
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVvm9kiF99TiXlZAbIQq9RQ
We can learn a lot from him !
Please check his channel and don't forget to subsribe :-)
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KamranNaseer
Thu May 03, 2018 5:08 am
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e-Gloomy-nations wrote:
No, it isn't. But I didn't knew that the best feedback comes from people who don't know anything about music, like friends and family
So true, i agree. However my own kids and close family members just like everything I make and that cant be true so i would say probably friends are better for that purposes.
Great share by the way, I used to post on Facebook a lot but they rightly said why its not such a good idea. never for any feedback that way. Hence why this forum is so great!! we make friends that are honest and help us along the journey. FL studio forum rocks, still miss old folks but you Mr Gloomer is keeping us all alive despite you taking some personal challenges along this journey. Am i getting too emotional :oops: ??? Ha ha, anyways, good post!!
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e-Gloomy-nations
Thu May 03, 2018 5:18 am
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Haha, thanks you Kamran, I do this all these years with a lot of joy. You guys and girls give me so much inspiration and new tips & tricks ! Being here is truly "the heaven on earth" for a producer. You should take a listen to the new version on "Pimp Your House", and watch the video. This track was made by US ALL !! And no, you are not too emotional. You just have a very low self esteem about your music, while you definately shouldn't. You make awesome tracks, and I like to listen to them. Your voice always makes me very restful and easy. You give me a good feeling man, please keep on producing and sharing these wonderful tracks with us. Good luck, my friend ! :-)
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KamranNaseer
Thu May 03, 2018 5:27 am
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e-Gloomy-nations wrote:
You just have a very low self esteem about your music, while you definately shouldn't.
aww, now I am going to seriously cry :cry: !! Thx for your kind works bud, seriously!! I will definitely check out the track you mentioned!!
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monkeystuff
Fri May 04, 2018 9:11 pm
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Good feedback is so important. It is the actual point where you learn stuff.
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Deceiver
Mon May 07, 2018 2:08 pm
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A pet hate of mine on this forum is anybody who presents their track as a free gift, or worse, refers to us as their fans. This is a producer's forum and we're here to give feedback. It's okay to say this is my single/album or please watch the video, but treating us like your audience is bad etiquette in my opinion, and I'm unlikely to comment on anybody's music who posts in such a way...
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steevm
Mon May 07, 2018 4:19 pm
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Deceiver wrote:
A pet hate of mine on this forum is anybody who presents their track as a free gift, or worse, refers to us as their fans.
From now on, ye shall be known as my groupie instead!
Deceiver wrote:
[...] treating us like your audience is bad etiquette in my opinion, and I'm unlikely to comment on anybody's music who posts in such a way...
On a more serious note, this forum is my audience! Not many other people listen to my stuff... Which of course is partly my own fault for being lazy; and partly due to not being able to gig without a band and thus reach a different "audience".
But I get what you're saying. The forum is not the same as your Titter or Base|f**k account, where you can assume your followers are people who are interested in hearing your latest tracks because they are your fan.
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e-Gloomy-nations
Sat May 19, 2018 9:30 am
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@steevm.. Gloomer has been listened to around 150.000 times..
That's because I've uploaded many tracks on :
* The Image-Line Forum
* The Nationaal FL Studio Forum (Dutch)
* Reverbnation
* Mixcloud
* Acid Planet (stops end this month)
* Electrobel.be
* Myspace
* Soundclick
* Bandcamp
* synthforum.nl
* Soundcloud
* Bandlab
* Youtube
* Facebook (since the beginning, not anymore now)
* Google+
* Ambient Online
* Xenomorph Records :x
* clip.it
* ...
I strongly believe that my tracks have been downloaded and listened to many times, maybe you could invest a couple of weeks to subscribe to all these channels and the ones in Austria.. and upload your best tracks.. You could start with "Dubble Trubble"
Isn't this a good idea ?
And I have also the idea to use your real artist name, like the one you gave me as a x-mass present
You will please a lot of people if you do that, so I should say : Go for it !
Nice weekend, y'all
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FireWalk
Mon May 21, 2018 12:26 pm
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I'm a bit late to the party.. Thanks for sharing the video Gloomer! Feedback is definitely an important part of music production, especially for new producers. Unfortunately there's also a lot of bad feedback out there, and some just go about doing it the wrong way from the very start, spamming their links everywhere etc. We are fortunate to have this forum here where people are serious and constructive, and don't troll each other.
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e-Gloomy-nations
Mon May 21, 2018 2:23 pm
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Great words, Eirik.. nice to see you here man.. Finally found some time :-)
Cheers bud !
Bedankt voor je bijdrage aan dit topic.