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Origineel geplaatst door NiFF
Ironisch genoeg kan degene die het hardste roept dat de Audigy troep is niet eens een van de meest simpele operaties met dat apparaat zonder fouten uitvoeren: het maken van een digitale opname.
Wat mij nog meer tegen valt is dat op een paar mensen na de meeste mensen de conclusies direct overnemen zonder zelf na te denken of te onderzoeken, terwijl er overduidelijke simpele fouten in de tests zaten die precies de oorzaak van het probleem waren. Het is frappant.
Iedereen die aan de hand van deze thread riep dat de Audigy troep is bleek achteraf een noob te zijn die ergens de klok heeft horen luiden.

Picking the Right Hardware - Sound Card
When looking for a sound card, first consider what you are going to be using it for and how you are going to use it. If you plan to use it for games, you may want a card with DirectSound hardware acceleration so that it does not affect your framerate. If you intend to use the analog outputs of your card for headphones or speakers, you'll want a card with a good Digital to Analog Converter (DAC), whereas the DAC does not matter if you are using the digital output.
The most important factor in the quality of your sound card is the chipset on which it is based. The most popular chipset, by far, is the EMU 10k series, found in Creative Lab's Sound Blaster cards. While Sound Blaster cards are widely despised among audiophiles, it is largely the fault of their poor drivers and DSP, not the chipset itself. In fact, EMU Systems produces their own line of sound cards that far exceed the Audigy in sound quality. However, since they are based on a different chipset and the Audigy line are the only sound cards to use the EMU 10k1 and 10k2, it is recommended that you avoid those two chipsets. The reason is that Sound Blaster cards are not capable of bit-perfect output. That means they cannot take a sound source and send it straight to your speakers without altering it, in this case my resampling. An audio CD is recorded at 16-bits with a sampling rate of 44.1kHz. If you play that CD through an Audigy 2 (for example), the output is actually 16/48 instead of 16/44. The Digital Signal Processing (DSP) chip on the Audigy 2 (and all SB cards) is upsampling the sound to 48kHz, a process to reduces sound quality. Fortunately, there are ways to reduce the effects of Sound Blaster resampling, but if you are considering a new sound card and want the best sound quality for your music, avoid them.
So what is a good chipset? The most common answer is the Envy24 series, produced by a division of VIA formerly known as ICEnsemble. There are variations of this chipset such as the onboard Envy24PT and the budget Envy24HT-S. All produce high-quality sound rivaling home theater equipment costing over a thousand dollars, but the original Envy24 is the best of the series. You can find this chipset in many cards produced by M-Audio, such as the highly popular Revolution 7.1 and the Audiophile 24/96. Terratec also makes Envy24-based cards, and there some cheaper budget cards have emerged with it recently such as the Chaintech 7.1 and the Mad Dog Entertainer. The Envy24 chipset is by no means the absolute best on the market, but it has served as a great entry point to many PC users exploring higher quality PC sound. Many of these cards are still marketed at the average consumer, and so they maintain a pretense of game support. The fact is that none of them are as good for gaming as an Audigy 2 or an nForce2 board with SoundStorm, though some of you may be willing to make that tradeoff for higher-quality music and DVD playback. Alternatively, you could just have two sound cards. As you get into higher-end audio cards, you'll find that they're marketed more towards recording artists and sound engineers. These cards have the best sound quality, but some may not have any game support at all.
Here is a list of some high-quality sound cards:
Chaintech AV-710 - This card is based on the Envy24PT. It has comparable sound quality to the M-Audio Revolution, but costs far less. However, expect to spend some effort getting ASIO and Kernel Streaming to work, and finding the best drivers. The ones that come with it are not very good. cost: $30
ESI Juli@ - This card is based on the Envy24HT-S. Interestingly, the PCB is white. Current consensus seems to be that it performs on par with the Audiophile 24/96, but may have superior drivers. Being based on an Envy24HT, you may see a performance hit in games due to the lack of hardware acceleration, but music and DVDs should perform admirably. cost: $179
ESI Waveterminal 192x - Older reviews seem to indicate that this card had some issues that have since been resolved in later revisions. Currently considered a good card for the money. cost: $229
E-MU 1212m - This card has been gaining a lot of popularity lately. It uses the same DACs found in Digidesign's Pro Tools HD I/O module (pretty much the standard in professional audio recording), and thus has great analog output. Despite being made by the same company that produces the chips for the Sound Blaster cards, the 1212m is quite capable of 44.1kHz output. However, it currently lacks 24/96 support in its WDM drivers. You'll only be able to get 24-bit playback through ASIO. cost: $200
RME Digi96/8 Pad - One of the best-sounding cards on the market within a reasonable budget. It also has optional balanced XLR outputs, if your equipment supports that. One interesting thing about this card is that ASIO or Kernel Streaming output is not necessary because the card's drivers intercept any DirectSound or WaveOut stream and send it straight to the card, bypassing Windows. Note that Dolby Digital passthrough is possible on this card, but hasn't been confirmed with the current drivers, so do some research before buying for DVD purposes. cost: $300
M-Audio Audiophile 24/96 - This is one of the most popular cards for HTPC use due to its high-quality DACs and attractive price. Envy24-based. cost: $159
M-Audio Revolution 7.1 - A cheaper card that sounds almost as good as the Audiophile and has slightly better (though still not very good) game support. However, unless your budget is under $100, you're probably better off buying the Audiophile. cost: $98
Terratec DMX 6Fire LT - This card is also based on the Envy24. Unlike the other cards, it has DirectSound hardware acceleration for up to 16 channels. The same is true of most other Terratec cards. I haven't included a link because their server appears to be down. cost: $179
I recommend researching these cards, as well as others by the same manufacturers, before making your final purchase.
[...] and the Audigy line are the only sound cards to use the EMU 10k1 and 10k2, it is recommended that you avoid those two chipsets. The reason is that Sound Blaster cards are not capable of bit-perfect output. That means they cannot take a sound source and send it straight to your speakers without altering it, in this case my resampling. An audio CD is recorded at 16-bits with a sampling rate of 44.1kHz. If you play that CD through an Audigy 2 (for example), the output is actually 16/48 instead of 16/44. The Digital Signal Processing (DSP) chip on the Audigy 2 (and all SB cards) is upsampling the sound to 48kHz, a process to reduces sound quality. Fortunately, there are ways to reduce the effects of Sound Blaster resampling, but if you are considering a new sound card and want the best sound quality for your music, avoid them.
Origineel geplaatst door Roel
Zo te horen (lezen) is dit stukje de verklaring voor het statement van Fuse:
Origineel geplaatst door fuse
En ik heb zat webspace dus dat is het probleem niet.
Voor de rest heb ik ook geen wavjes alleen de mp3 die ik gemaakt heb. In soundforge neem ik
het gewoon op en codeer ik het als mp3. Wel zo makkelijk.
Laat even de 2 vorige mp3's zitten. Die waren niet goed door mij gemaakt.
Wat is er mis met die 3e? Want ik zal wel te debiel zijn om te begrijpen wat jullie probleem hiermee is.
Origineel geplaatst door Toon
Upsampling is iets dat toegepast wordt in bijna alle dac's en hoeft zeker niet altijd hoorbare artefacten te geven.
Het is idd moeilijker om van 44.1 naar 48 Khz te gaan maar hierbij kan men ook met een goed algoritme *(1) uitstekende resultaten bekomen. Het zou mij verbazen dat een firma als Emu een interpolatie algoritme kiest dat duidelijk hoorbare verschillen geeft.
Wat de auteur hier op het "gamer" forum beweert bewijst hij ook helemaal niet.
Je verhaal is verder duidelijk.Uit de Hydrogen Audio FAQ
One of the things this card (Audigy, red.) is criticized for, is that it has no native 44.1kHz support (CD-audio, and thus most MP3s too). This was a problem with the Live and Audigy 1 cards before it, which according to many have very bad quality conversion to 48kHz. The Audigy 2 converts 44.1 streams to 48kHz as well, but I haven't anywhere seen claims yet of someone actually being annoyed by the sound of it. It seems then, Creative have improved their upsampling process.
The other criticism relates to Creative making rather bulky drivers, consuming a lot of system resources. There's a fix for this in the kXproject drivers - but using those goes at the expense of the cards excellent gaming support, among some more problems.
Origineel geplaatst door Roel
Mag ik... mag ik vragen of iemand de technische uitleggen van Niff (hierboven) wil samenvatten in kort, zakelijk en vooral helder Nederlands? :confused:
Het onderwerp gaat naar technisch gezien erg diep, zonder dat duidelijk wordt aangegeven wat er nu precies wordt bedoeld in bijvoorbeeld de figuren. Ik denk dat ikzelf (en waarschijnlijk een deel van de andere forumbezoekers) nu afhaken wegens onvoldoende inlevingsvermogen in de kwestie.
Origineel geplaatst door fuse
Ik had ff niet zo'n zin om hier over na te denken.
Maar zal die wav ff checken later dan.