But I think a huge turning point was when this guy Ference [aka I-F] in Holland came out with a mix CD called Mixed Up in the Hague. It’s funny because I knew of Ference forever, but I don’t feel like I’m part of the crowd that championed “Space Invaders Are Smoking Grass”, which sort of turned people on and spawned the whole electroclash thing. But I was really curious about Hague because I knew he was a good DJ. I have friends in Boston that were into him because of that. Before I heard it, they used to tell me that he played Italo disco and I would think, how can people listen to that shit? I was thinking he was playing [Black Box’s] “Ride on Time,” or IRMA and DFC—that was my idea of what Italo disco was because it’s still called that. Or Italo house.