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In navolging van al dat andere geweld, open ik ook maar de AIR thread, omdat ik heel veel bezig ben met het opzoeken van dingen over hen.

Post hier alle info die je over hen hebt. Welke synths gebruikten ze voor hun verschillende albums, welke vocoders hebben ze gebruikt, welke synths gebruiken ze live?

Ook foto's en geluidsfragmenten zijn welkom!
 
Ik heb ze laatst in Paradiso zien spelen. Was niet een al te best concert.
De enige synths die ik nog weet is een Nord 3 rack en een Akai synth.
Ik vond het wel grappig dat hij de toetsen vastplaktte voor een constant stringgeluid.

Er stond nog meer op het podium, maar wat .....?
 
Om zelf het goede voorbeeld te geven. Over de moon safari tour:

Gebruikte synths:

Roger manning Jr.:
moog source
roland JX-8P
Roland VP-330 Vocoder plus

Brian (andere helft moogcookbook):
moog minimoog
sequencial system 700 (vermoedelijk)
solina string ensemble
Yamaha CS1x (vermoedelijk)

Nicolas:
Hammond XB-2 (vermoedelijk)
solina string ensemble
Roland PC-180

J.B.:
Fender Rhodes suitecase (waarschijnlijk) MKI
Roland VP-330 Vocoder plus
MS-20

Andere dingen op het podium:
Emu SP-1200
Moog Signature Series Theremin
nog een MS-20 (vermoedelijk)
 
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Ik heb ze laatst in Paradiso zien spelen. Was niet een al te best concert.
De enige synths die ik nog weet is een Nord 3 rack en een Akai synth.
Ik vond het wel grappig dat hij de toetsen vastplaktte voor een constant stringgeluid.

Er stond nog meer op het podium, maar wat .....?

Ik heb ze de dag erna gezien in Brussel.

Wat ik zeker weet:

Keyboardspeler:
Alesis A6
Nordlead 2 (maar ben ik niet zeker)
Neuron
en dan nog heel wat synths die ik niet duidelijk heb kunnen zien (ik denk nog een stuk of 4)

J.B.:
Solina string ensemble
MS-20
Fender Rhodes stage MKI
Yamaha CP-70b of CP-80 !!!
Roland Guitarsynth (juiste naam ontsnapt me net; iets met een X)

Nicolas:
Roland PC-180 of 200
Een moog (denk een prodigy)

Ik vond het trouwens wel heel goed!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Moon safari tour, J.B.:
 

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Moon safari tour, J.B. en Nicolas
 

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Talkie Walkie, J.B. en Keyboardspeler (het lijkt Sebastien Tellier wel, maar ik ben het niet zeker)
 

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Interview met J.B. en Nicolas over Moon Safari:

Like a breath of the fresh stuff, Air have captured the imagination of many a weary listener with their rich, organic sounds. Parisian duo Air have blown into an awful lot of ears lately with a rare and beautiful collection of songs - yes, that's songs - that are both evocatively retro and alluringly contemporary. Seldom has a name been so appropriate to the essential yet transient blend of music it represents. It's a seductive sound, where clattering beats are forsaken for the soothing sounds and kitsch pop that they capture on the surprisingly lo-tech debut album Moon Safari. Music and sexAs multi-instrumentalists, both Nicolas Godin and Jean-Benoit Dunckel (J-B) have been hitting, strumming and twiddling for at least half of their 28 years. J-B studied classical piano at the Conservatoire in Paris, where he learnt the works of Bach and Debussy among others. Nicolas, on the other hand, was encouraged by his boho folks to tinker with any musical instruments lying around the house from an early age. But it was while the two were in their teens that they first pooled their resources: "We went to the same college. Etienne de Crecy was there as well and around the end of the 80s we did a kind of noisy pop thing - a band called Orange - using electric guitars with a Moog," explains Nicolas in his heavily-accented Gallic burr. "Because we had so little money, we bought all our equipment from second-hand shops, and with no money and so much time, we got to know how to use what we had, making the equipment work as hard as possible. This was at the end of the 80s and there were things like DX7s everywhere 'cos no one wanted them." While their music developed as they collaborated on and off over the years, the pair's approach to gear remained pretty much the same, wringing the max from anything they could lay their hands on, with a predilection for retro synths and their associated idiosyncrasies. And it's thoroughly beneficial to the pair's output that they're based in the arty Montmartre district of Paris, a long-time haunt for musicians of all descriptions, and a melting pot of ideas. And Daft Punk live up the road as well. "There's a real buzz here, I don't know why. There's been a mixture of music and sex here for a very long time" J-B grins. "After they play, they go and see a bitch!" Nicolas offers with a mischievous cackle. J-B and Nicolas have also been privy to some tasty gear deals in their manor too, as Montmartre is famed for its abundance of music shops. "It's incredible," Nicolas enthuses. "Equipment is so cheap here, especially all the old stuff. I bought my TB-303 for forty pounds and I picked up a 909 for two hundred. And you can buy a Moog for nothing. I think it's because France is a country where there aren't that many people making this kind of music, so the demand isn't so high for these things." And, lest we forget, you needn't be armed to the teeth with the latest and greatest kit to get classy results, as J-B attests: "It was strange with our album to discover that you can still make a great record with cheap equipment. The more you play with these instruments, the more you find you can get from them. It makes you more creative. It's a big motivating force." A very small house in the countryRemarkably, Moon Safari was recorded on an eight-track machine, using a purposely restricted array of gear. "When we came to record this album we wanted to do something very precise, so we used instruments and equipment that we knew really well, recorded on to an eight track through a simple mixer. We wanted to keep things as comfortable as possible," J-B explains. The recording took place over four months in a stone cottage on the outskirts of Versailles, a town steeped in history which also happens to be the place where both Nicolas and J-B were born and brought up. "We rented this cottage on the edge of a forest rather than going into a professional studio, basically so that we could afford more time. It was empty, so we moved all our equipment in and set up in one room," Nicolas reveals. To a nucleus of traditional instruments like a grand piano, pianola and Nicolas' guitars, they brought their full compliment of creaky analogues: "We were using old Roland drum machines, Moogs, old Korg stuff, ARP synths and the Rhodes electric piano," Nicolas expands, "and we also used a lot of guitar effects: distortions and flangers in particular. We like the Electro Harmonix effects." The distorted organ lead lines on album opener La Femme D'Argent demonstrate this creative use of stomp-boxes perfectly. "If I want a flanged sound I put a guitar box into the inserts on the mixer and I can control it manually," Nicolas continues. "It's more spontaneous that way. I don't like to have to push buttons on a rack," he adds. J-B is also quick to point out that they don't consider themselves to be studio spods, and many elements of their tracks are flukes. "We're not very good technicians, and the kind of effects and equipment we use are such that you're often obliged to hit them! So accidents play a part in our music as well. All the time." And not always happy ones it would seem. "There are mistakes in my playing on this album," J-B confesses, "parts where the rhythm is wrong or keyboards are out of tune." In truth though, what J-B sees as mistakes, the average listener sees as interesting quirks that, if anything, add to the appeal. Laidback tracksMoon Safari was pretty much entirely self-produced in this idyllic venue, as J-B explains: "It was us and one other person, Stephane Briat, who was the mixer of the album. He works very precisely and sometimes there were so many different parts and instruments going on that we needed that." So was it four months of hard slog then? "No, no," Nicolas responds. "It wasn't like we worked non-stop during the time we were there. We'd break at weekends and take days off, so there was no real pressure, and that was very cool. And that's why the album is cool, because we weren't in a rush to do it." The lazy, spacy feel of Moon Safari certainly bears out this relaxed approach, while the diversity across the ten tracks indicates the absence of any kind of preconceived marketing agenda. "We wanted each song to be a surprise. We wanted people to think, 'I wasn't expecting that,' and that's why you have a moody track then something kind of poppy..." J-B explains. "Also we wanted the album to be an adventure. We wanted to build Moon Safari like a sort of trip, so that each time a new track comes in you have to swing into a new ambience." Playing and writing duties are pretty evenly distributed and Air tracks can grow from either of the pair's initial inspiration. "We have no rules when we write songs. We play ping pong with the ideas, so it's a regular exchange between us," Nicolas offers. "We could start with a chord or a melody... Sometimes I arrive with an idea and we'll develop it but then the original idea won't work so we drop it." And what about samplers. Do they play a big role in Air tracks? "Samplers? Mmm... no," Nicolas responds. "Sometimes we use them but it's really hard for us because when we've got the idea of a song, we play it on a piano and compose from there. Then when it's finished it's very hard for us to find samples that go with the song or the tempo," he continues. "I think if you want to use samples, then you have to start from samples and build your song around them... but we don't really work that way. Maybe for the next album we'll try and get more inspired by samples. It's a really fresh way to compose but as this is our first, we were afraid of not doing good work so we stayed with all our old habits. For the next album though we'll turn ourselves more to modern equipment and we'll be running more risks." Vocoder secrets Air's use of vocoders has played a huge part in distinguishing their sound, while simultaneously drawing the occasional dubious comparison to ELO. Originally employed to mask the voices of J-B and Nicolas, the pair are unrelentingly tight-lipped as to the particulars of the machines they use. "We like the vocoder very much," Nicolas whispers. "We have four of them: one from Germany, one we picked up second-hand in Pigalle... But we can't tell you what they are, it's secret! If you find one that we've got, maybe you'd be able to make a record like Air," he chuckles. "Vocoders have very particular sounds," J-B continues. "In the 70s they were very robotic, but we try to make it angelic. Sweet, you know?" If further proof of this saintly sound is needed, look no further than Air's Top 10 single Sexy Boy, which illustrates the warmth and expression that can be achieved with machines that are more often regarded as harsh and mechanical. Never mind the beatsThere's a noticeable absence of beat trickery in Air tracks, the tendency being toward sparse, repetitive loops and occasional, but very subtle percussion. Hardly the kind of thing we've come to expect from modern dance music. Where are the beats, boys? "I play drums on the album, but we use a sampler," Nicolas explains. "We'll record two measures and loop it, because I'm not so great that I can play regularly all the way through," he owns up. "The beats are very simple, because we like that a lot, and when we compose the songs we have no beat, so when we finish we say 'Oh shit, we forgot the beat!'," Nicolas laughs. "It's funny because beats are phenomenal in music today. It's often the most important thing, but we don't really care for that; it doesn't mean anything to us in our music. We only really use it for keeping the tempo. We're interested more in harmony and chords. For us every track has to have strong harmony and a strong melody. That's the most important thing" Something in the airThe current buzz that Air are generating is still a surprise to them, having always considered their music to be leftfield. "We like a lot of mainstream French music from the 70s but we thought our music would always be underground. We never imagined it could be commercial," J-B reveals. Things are different across the channel though: "In France we are so late at picking up new music. There's a huge gap between the mainstream and more experimental music, so whereas in England you can go into a record shop and buy jungle or house or whatever, you can't really do that in France, and even if we do well in the rest of the world, we'll always be able to work in a low key way here." Nicolas sees this conservatism as a national trait: "In France we don't like success. We like losers," he laughs. "In the 50s there were the jazz men and before that painters - all underground people who became famous - but the French don't like that. People prefer us to stay underground. I think they're suspicious of success. They don't think we could do it with our art alone. It's the same with sport. We can get to the final and play well but then we lose; we don't have any fighting spirit. People like to have fun too much." Sounds okay to me, but Air couldn't be further from this categorisation, with a rigorous promotion schedule taking them all over the globe, their newest single - Sexy Boy - getting frequent airing on MTV, Moon Safari already touted as album of the year by a handful of pundits and rehearsals for the pending live shows ensuring the last thing they'll be doing is losing in the final.
 
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And, lest we forget, you needn't be armed to the teeth with the latest and greatest kit to get classy results, as J-B attests: "It was strange with our album to discover that you can still make a great record with cheap equipment.

En om dat eens te ontkrachten, gebruikte synths enzo voor Moon Safari:

Moog Minimoog
Synton Syrinx
Fender Rhodes Suitcase MKI
Wurlitzer EP 200A
MS-20
Pleyel Grand Piano (1/2 vleugel van voor '70 !!!)
Solina String Ensemble
Emu SP-1200
Roland TR-808
Akai S950
Akai S3200
Korg Minipops 35
Roland RE-201 Space Echo
Roland VP-330
Korg VC-10 (hoogst waarschijnlijk, maar nergens bevestigd)
Neve 1272 Mic Preamps
AKG C414's
Hohner Pianet T and N
Hammond L-100 !!! (nog altijd de mooist klinkende Hammond volgens mij)
EMS 2000 vocoder (gerucht)
Bijna alle Electro-Harmonix pedalen
 
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Ik vond het trouwens wel heel goed!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ik vond de muziek wel aardig, maar ze stonden daar zo verveeld op het podium.
Iedereen om mij heen stond ook rustig met elkaar te praten en sommige mensen hadden totaal geen interesse voor wat er op het podium gebeurde.
 
Synths gebruikt voor het nieuwe Talkie Walkie album:

Solina string ensemble
Korg MS20
Yamaha CS-80
Moog Memory Moog
Moog Minimoog Voyager (hoogst waarschijnlijk een Signature Series)
Fender Rhodes Stage MKI
Hammond L-100
Pleyel grand piano
Akai MPC 2000 XL
Ensoniq DP/4
Nord Lead 2 (bijna in ieder nummer)
Hartmann Neuron
Alesis Andromeda
Linndrum
Boss Doctor Groove DR-202
Roland CR-78
Rythm King
...
 
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Ik vond de muziek wel aardig, maar ze stonden daar zo verveeld op het podium.
Iedereen om mij heen stond ook rustig met elkaar te praten en sommige mensen hadden totaal geen interesse voor wat er op het podium gebeurde.

Ja klopt, maar als je € 30 betaald voor een ticket heb je normaal toch wat interesse :D

Maar 'k heb het inderdaad ook gemerkt. Ik zat gelukkig mooi op een balkon tussen allemaal aandachtige mensen :)

En ze staan altijd zo verveeld, maar da's ook net hun charme. Ze hebben geen show nodig, ze komen enkel hun nummers zo goed mogelijk brengen. Bij ons hebben ze trouwens ongeveer 30 woorden gezegd samen. Nl.:
cherry blossom girl
thank you
surfin on a rocket
Le prochain, c'est Wonder Milky Bitch, c'est pas très gentil à dire
Le prochain, c'est pas mal du tout (door J.B., hij had het over het volgende en tevens laatste nummer: la femme d'argent)
Merci, au revoir

en dat was het zowat
 
En dan nog wat citaatjes volgens iemand z'n gekopieerde artikel van Remix:

In the January 2003 issue of Remix magazine they list what Air uses and some of what they have to say about particular pieces of equipment. Not sure It's o.k. to post something that's printed, so I'll use my photographic memory to list it:

Alesis Andromeda A6
Apogee Rosetta A/D converters
API Lunchbox
Apple Mac G4
ARP Solina String Ensemble
Boss SP-202 Drum Sampler
Boss VT-1 Voice Transformer
Clavia Nord Lead 1
Digidesign Pro Tools HD
Electro-Harmonix Memory Man delay
Elektron Machinedrum SPS-1
- "I think the Machinedrum was the most amazing thing we used for a long time," Godin says. "Our drummer told us to buy it, and now it's bad for him because when we got it, we didn't call him back."
Fender Rhodes
Genelec 1031A monitors
-"We like the Genelecs because they're very flattering when you make music," Godin says. "it makes you enjoy it."
Guild '70s standard classic acoustic guitar
Hartmann Neuron
-"It makes really THX sounds- you know, cinematic sounds," Godin says. "We used it on 'Alone in Kyoto.'"
Korg MS-20
Mackie 32-channel mixer
Moog Memorymoog
Moog Minimoog Voyager
-"We bought it in L.A., and we came back from the store and recorded with it in the next five minutes," Godin says. "We did the bass from 'Alpha Beta Gaga' with it. It was amazing, and we were on tour with it. It's a wonderful piece of equipment."
UREI 1176 compressor


In addition, they go on to say onstage, their featured equipment is:

Fender Rhodes
Minimoog Voyager
Clavia Nord Lead
ARP Solina
organ trhough electro-harmonix delay box
Boss SP-202 sampler

En dan hier nog een linkje : http://www.kcrw.org/cgi-bin/db/kcrw.pl?show_code=mb&air_date=5/22/01&tmplt_type=show
 
Nog een foto van J.B. tijdens de 10000 hz Legend Tour.

Synths:

MS20
solina string ensemble
VP-330
Roland PC-180
(niet op foto, maar onder VP-330: Fender Rhodes Stage MKI)
 

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En een zelfgemaakte foto tijdens de Talkie Walkie Tour in Brussel:
 

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ik ben zelf helemaal gek van air.... live zien lijkt me echter dodelijk saai.
de dvd die bij talkie walkie zit bewijst dat wel...kijk anders de dvd eating sleeping waiting and playing maar eens
gegarandeerd dat je binnen tien minuten in dromenland ligt.

maar de muziek vind ik heerlijk, vooral de virgin suicides soundtrack en de her uitgebrachtele solei est pres de moi.

talkie walkie vind ik minder maar das denk ik weer even wennen, dat had ik ook met 10000hz legend.

ln interviews viel me wel iets op, het zijn wel van die ego fransen die weten dat mensen het mooi vinden wat ze maken en zichzelf daarom goed gaan vinden, + dat afzeiken van interviewers, stuck up frenchies!!! zeker als je zelf ook geen engels kan.

in mijn ogen moet je air niet zien.....je moet het horen, dan is het heerlijk
 
Yep compleet mee eens MET zangeres heeft het net dat beetje meer..
Heb 3 cd's van ze Moon Safari,The Virgin Suicide's en Premier Sympthomes (nog niet 10.000 Hertz Legend ofzoiets)
Maar alle CD's hebben toch zo'n aparte sfeer...
 
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ik ben zelf helemaal gek van air.... live zien lijkt me echter dodelijk saai.
de dvd die bij talkie walkie zit bewijst dat wel...kijk anders de dvd eating sleeping waiting and playing maar eens
gegarandeerd dat je binnen tien minuten in dromenland ligt.

Ik stel echt voor dat je eens gaat gaan kijken. Ik heb ze nu al 3 keer gezien en het is echt iedere keer fantastisch. Verre weg van saai! Ik moet wel toegeven dat die de DVD's nogal steriel overkomen, maar die van Talkie Walkie gaat dan ook over de 10000 Hz Tour en dat was wel de minste van allemaal. En eating, sleeping, ... laat ook niet echt veel zien van de Moon Safari Tour. Maar ik heb hier verschillende opnames van de Moon Safari Tour en ik kan je verzekeren: da's heel indrukwekkend wat ze daar doen!

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ln interviews viel me wel iets op, het zijn wel van die ego fransen die weten dat mensen het mooi vinden wat ze maken en zichzelf daarom goed gaan vinden, + dat afzeiken van interviewers, stuck up frenchies!!! zeker als je zelf ook geen engels kan.

Ik heb al heel wat interviews gehoord/gelezen en ik vind dat dit eigenlijk nog heel goed meevalt.

En over dat ego: lees hier maar eens wat ze zeggen over het optreden in Rijsel: ze nemen rustig de tijd om CD's en platen te signeren en om op de foto te komen staan.

Wat ze wel veel doen in interviews is op vragen heel afwijkend antwoorden. Bv. vragen over welke apparatuur ze gebruiken enzo. Maar da's ook heel begrijpelijk, maar normaal dat ze niet tips en tricks beginnen rondgooien. Misschien moeten die interviewers eerst eens deftige vragen leren opstellen!
 
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