Yamaha O1X: Ervaringen?

[Ethereal]

Ik sta op het punt zo'n beestje aan te schaffen, maar ben wel eens benieuwd naar ervaringen van anderen...
Wil hem gaan gebruiken als controller voor Logic, als opname-bakkie voor mn synths, mixer, eigenlijk voor alles.., Ben zeer benieuwd naar andermans ervaringen en meningen!!

Komt u maar!

 

[Alexandre Redwood]

staan veel ervaringen op dit forum.. heb de 01x inmiddels ook bestelt, na vele moeilijke tijden met een dm24 en een 01v96!

 

[Cozko]

Moet je toch ff uitleggen AR van 'die moeilijke tijden'!

Wat waren de problemen etc....? Ben benieuwd!

 

[fuse]

FYI

http://www.01xray.com

Grootste manco is dat er kans is dat je firewire het niet trekt omdat je CPU te veel moet doen.
Maar dat ligt dan eerder aan je computer dan aan die 01x.

Maar als Logic controller is die Tascam Firewire ook een interessant alternatief.
Schijnt dat hij makkelijker te gebruiken is als remote controller voor Logic dan die 01x.

Zelf vind ik die 01x een handig ding.
Lekker klein compact en veelzijdig. Het is even wennen aan hoe het werkt maar gelukkig kan je ook op je computer via een editor zien wat je allemaal aan't doen bent. Maar na een poosje heb je dat ook niet meer nodig.

 

[Alexandre Redwood]

Origineel geplaatst door Alexandre Redwood
staan veel ervaringen op dit forum.. heb de 01x inmiddels ook bestelt, na vele moeilijke tijden met een dm24 en een 01v96!

niets met de hardware hoor.
lag puur aan mijzelf. bij de dm24 bijv dat ik continu verdwaalde in de menus.
en dat ik uiteindelijk besloten heb minder outboardgear te nemen.
er is namelijk weinig wat ik niet kan doen met mijn karma, jp8000 en sampler


maar goed BACK ON TRACK!

 

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Heb je dan voldoende aan de 8 inputs? Uiteraard kun je e.e.a. uitbreiden waarvoor je dan 8-16 van de 16mLan inputs op kunt offeren, maar als je vooruit al weet dat dit al direct moet gebeuren dan kun je beter een 01v96 nemen met straks een mLan optie.

Maar goed. Ik heb de DVD van het ding besteld en die is redelijk de moeite waard, hoewel ik wel een tikkie meer "in depth" verwacht had. Nu is het meer een video-brochure en een stuk, en dat is wel handig, video-handleiding. Maar dat laatste had van mij nog wat uitgebreider gemogen. Verder is er een showcase van een live-opname en de mixage ervan. Daar mogen ze van mij nog wel eens een aparte DVD van uitbrengen. Al met al toch een dikke twee uur kijkplezier.

Wat Fuse zegt begrijp ik niet helemaal. Ik sprak vorige week iemand die hem op een PIII met 512Mb heeft draaien. De drivers moeten nog wat verfijnd worden zodat de CPU load inderdaad omlaag gaat, maar hij schijnt prima te werken met die 1.41 drivers voor XP. De drivers voor de Mac schijnen al beter te zijn.

Dat forum op 01xRay.com is natuurlijk een goede infobron, maar zoals gewoonlijk posten mensen meestal alleen negatieve ervaringen aangezien ze dan support nodig hebben. Ik loop zelf te zeuren om het uitbreiden van de sidechain functies op de 01x. Dus een OS update van het ding zelf. Op de 01v kun je ieder willekeurig kanaal gebruiken als Key voor de sidechain. Op de 01x kun je alleen kiezen voor Self of Aux1/2. Dat laatste is een K-workaround aangezien je dan je weinige Sends op moet offeren.

Met Logic weet ik het niet, ik gebruik SX2. Daar werkt het erg goed mee aangezien in de meest recente update van SX2, de 01x al geïntergreerd is. Steinberg ondersteund mLan, net als Emagic. Dus zal een Logic update ook wel niet al te lang op zich laten wachten.

Eind deze maand ga ik ook een 01x scooren. En mocht het echt niet werken kan ik altijd nog voor een Tascam met een UAD-kaart gaan. Kan haast niet wachten!

 

[Alexandre Redwood]

(voor als de vraag over genoeg inputs aan mij was gesteld)
eerst genoeg inputs. gebruik er nu nog 2 van de karma, 2 van de jp, en 2 van de sampler

ff tijdje wachten tot de i88x goedkoper word, of er een goeie vervanger voor komt.
daar kan ik dan e.v.t. de behringer ada8000 op aansluiten!
dan zijn er kanalen in overvloed.


maar goed. eerst de 01x maar eens proberen, als deze uiteindelijk toch niet bevalt ruil ik hem weer om, en neem ik een 01v96, maar ik ben helemaal weg van mlan. en daar is het voor de 01v96 (nog) niet beschikbaar voor!


afwachten zucht......

 

[ano260124]

Ja, die vraag was voor jou bedoelt.

Voor wat betreft de i88x, dat wordt een behoorlijk tijdje wachten. Bij Thomann staat het kreng voor iets van 1250 euri! Pff...

 

[Alexandre Redwood]

aso eigenlijk, maar dat komt dan door die mic preamps enzo uit de dm2000 en 02rv96.

das dus in mijn ogen voor de meesten dikke onzin.
heb toevallig met een yamaha vertegenwoordiger gesproken, pas na de zomer rond de herfst verwachten ze pas nieuwe mlan produkten, e.v.t. mlan midiinterfaces e.d.

maar wij synthforum gasten hebben natuurlijk engelen geduld

 

[ano260124]

Het zal ook wel wat met marketing te maken hebben.

Ongeveer 1550,- voor een 01x + rond de 1250,- voor een i88x = 2800,- en dus meer dan een 01v96. Anders zou het een de ander beconcureren.

 

[fuse]

Origineel geplaatst door Alexandre Redwood
maar wij synthforum gasten hebben natuurlijk engelen geduld

Ja echt nie!

Het moet er NU komen en voor de helft van de prijs!

Dat die verrekte Yamaha's het maar weten daarzo.

(Trouwens wel een gaaf scheldwoord. Wah benne gij 'n verreke Yamaha zeg! Deh's nie!)

 

[ano260124]

Origineel geplaatst door fuse
Ja echt nie!

Het moet er NU komen en voor de helft van de prijs!

Schieten ze niet snel genoeg op met hun (open) mLan standaard zodat je twee PC's kunt koppelen of zo?

 

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BTW: ik heb hier een eSub artikel van Sound On Sound over de 01x. Is het toegestaan deze hier te plaatsen?

 

[Alexandre Redwood]

waarom zou dit niet mogen. ik heb er i.i.g. belang bij!

 

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Yamaha 01X - Firewire Interface, Digital Mixer & Control Surface

Yamaha 01X - Firewire Interface, Digital Mixer & Control Surface

Yamaha's 01X is a digital mixer, hardware controller, audio and MIDI interface that promises an unprecedented level of integration with computer-based DAWs. But can this one silver box really do it all?

It is now around a year since Yamaha previewed the 01X, a combined digital mixer, audio/MIDI interface and hardware control surface intended to be used with any Mac or PC sequencer. It is designed to work on any computer with a Firewire connection, and will eventually run under Windows XP, Mac OS 9.2 and Mac OS X. Even though the 01X has arrived on the market a little later than expected, Mac OS X support is still not available, but we are expecting an announcement of forthcoming availability at the Winter NAMM show in January, which will already have taken place by the time you read this. It's unfortunate that the Mac OS X driver wasn't available at the time of this review, but this is such an important product that we decided to review it with Mac OS 9 now and to do a brief follow-up piece when the Mac OS X drivers become available.

It's no secret that Yamaha's big crusade over the past few years has been to promote their mLAN system. Using an IEEE 1394 Firewire connection, mLAN is able to send multiple streams of audio, MIDI and sync information over a single Firewire cable, but mLAN is more than a simple repurposing of Firewire — it requires a dedicated mLAN chip set in the connected mLAN device. An obvious use of mLAN is to allow Yamaha's existing digital mixers (fitted with an mLAN card) to function as audio I/O devices for computer audio software, but in the 01X, all its talents are put to good use, as the unit provides everything needed to complete a digital studio other than the computer/software package, the monitor speakers and the microphones. Furthermore, the 01X can be added to using other mLAN devices — for example, you could plug in a Presonus Fire Station to add more mic inputs.

 

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01X Overview

The 01X combines a computer audio interface, a fully automated, moving-fader digital mixer, two MIDI interface ports and a DAW hardware control surface. It connects to the host Mac or PC computer via a Firewire cable and utilises Yamaha's latest-generation mLAN chip set to provide low-latency audio interfacing, though it can also be used in a stand-alone mode for live sound mixing if required. It can work at up to 24-bit, 96kHz, has the same kind of built-in effects and signal processors as Yamaha's stand-alone mixing desks, and can handle a maximum of 28 audio channels. It comes with a set of software tools, including a dedicated Studio Manager application, plus a suite of host-powered plug-ins that will work in most of the popular audio sequencing packages. All the necessary installation and driver software is included on CD-ROM, including a copy of OMS 2.8.3, which Mac OS 9 users will need in order to get the MIDI side of the 01X up and running.

Physically, the 01X has eight analogue mic/line inputs, two of which are on XLRs with switchable phantom power, with the remaining six on balanced jacks. A further 16 inputs can be accommodated via mLAN and these will normally be fed from the mixer section of a computer DAW application, though the 01X can also be connected to other mLAN devices. A pair of S/PDIF in and out connectors is also fitted as standard. Two further master mLAN return channels are available, so it is possible to mix a maximum of 28 inputs. Though the faders are 60mm rather than 100mm, they are smooth and fully motorised, and there's a generous display running the full width of the input channel section.

As a remote controller for a software DAW, the 01X comes ready-configured to work with Cubase SX/SL, Nuendo, Sonar, Logic, Digital Performer and many popular soft synths via its dedicated 'remote mixing layer'. You just dial up the sequencer you're using on the 01X and the job is done. In addition to the obvious fader levels, pan positions, transport control and record-ready arming, the unit can also access the scrubbing functions of the host software, re-scale the screen zoom resolution and even access plug-in parameters, so it comes very close to the functionality of a dedicated unit such as Mackie Control or Houston.

The two physical sets of MIDI ports are augmented by additional 'virtual' Firewire-based MIDI ports for controlling the DAW software and also for communication with the Yamaha Studio Manager software, so you don't lose either of the physical ports when using the 01X as a control surface.

When it comes to processing, the 01X is structured much like Yamaha's dedicated digital mixers, insomuch as it has independent dynamics and four-band parametric EQ on every channel plus two high-quality multi-effects blocks, which means you're no longer restricted to using underpowered native reverb plug-ins. In fact the 'mixing engine' is based around the same chips as developed for use in Yamaha's current range of 96kHz mixers (including the 02R96), and it is this chip set that provides the two 32-bit DSP effects engines, each capable of producing various types of effects, including reverb. As is the case in most digital mixers, if you use the 01X at high sampling rates, the effects capability is halved.

In addition to the 01X and its support software, the package includes three host-powered plug-ins in VST/AU format that can be used within your host DAW software. These comprise Vocal Rack, a set of vocal polishing tools including compression and EQ, Pitch Fix, which does much the same job as Auto-Tune, and Final Master, a multi-band mastering compressor with limiter and soft clipping. These are also available to purchase separately, and as such they were reviewed in last month's Sound On Sound. Pick up that issue or surf to www.soundonsound.com/sos/feb04/articles/yamahaplugins.htm for a detailed description. Windows users also get Yamaha's SQ01 v2 MIDI + Audio sequencer software, the TWE wave editor for modifying audio recordings and a Multi Part Editor for the Motif Rack synth module.

 

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Touring The 01X Hardware

Measuring 453 x 391 x 116mm and weighing 6.2kg, the 01X has the same solid and well-engineered feel as Yamaha's other digital mixers, featuring all-metal construction, large buttons with a positive action, chunky transport controls and a large rotary encoder for data entry and scrubbing. It has an external, in-line power adaptor that connects to the rear of the unit.

All the connections are on the rear panel. The mic/line inputs are based on Yamaha's new preamp circuitry and have gain trims at the head of the channel strips, while input eight has an extra high-impedance jack for direct connection of electric guitars and basses. The rear-panel phantom power switch applies to the two dedicated XLR mic inputs only, though all eight inputs can be used with microphones. The S/PDIF input has sample-rate conversion, which can be bypassed when it's not needed, and there are four analogue outs, two used as control-room monitor outs and affected by the master level control, plus two additional outputs that may be configured either as the main stereo outs or as aux outs. The S/PDIF out could be used for feeding a stereo mix to a separate recorder, but today's studio user is more likely to mix back to the computer, an option the 01X also caters for.

The two sets of MIDI In and Out ports are also on the rear panel along with two Firewire ports, a headphone output jack and two footswitch jacks. These jacks can be set to control the transport and punch-in functions of the host software. A Standby/On switch powers up the unit.

Turning to the front panel, this is set out very clearly, with the left-hand side of the surface occupied by channel controls comprising a fader, two knobs and two buttons per channel. The uppermost knob is the input gain trim, while the other is an assignable controller that works in conjunction with the display running above it. This dial includes a push switch used to confirm or toggle the parameters shown in the display above. That leaves the Channel Select button, which determines which channel is currently being adjusted, and the Channel On button, which can actually have several different functions, including Solo and Record Ready, depending on the settings in the master section. As there are only eight channel faders plus one stereo master fader, the mixer is arranged using the familiar layer system so, depending on what layer you're in, the faders control the input channel levels, the aux/rec buss levels or the remote software control levels.

 

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Between The Buttons

The master section is to the right, and other than the headphone level knob and the data wheel, is comprised entirely of buttons. Directly below the headphone control is a section containing the Display Up/Down cursors and the Page Shift button. These are used for navigating the display pages.

Below are four more buttons. One is for Auto Edit which, when active, allows manual activation of the 'Touch In' mode using the Channel Select buttons. With Touch In active, the system registers as soon as a fader is moved, and there's also a Touch Out function that times out after a fader has stopped moving. The idea is that the system knows when you are making control changes, even though the hardware doesn't use conductive fader caps. Auto R/W enables the mix automation to be switched using the Channel Select buttons, while Solo switches the function of the Channel On buttons to Solo buttons. Rec Rdy sets the function of the Channel On buttons so that they act as Record Ready switches.

Bank buttons are used to move between sets of eight channels in the host software, while Flip swaps the functions of the channel knobs and faders in the conventional way. Bank seems to work by grouping the host software tracks into functional categories such as Audio, MIDI or Instrument, so if you have more than eight virtual instruments, the Bank switch would be used to access these in blocks of eight. The display always tells you what you are looking at, so there's little chance of getting lost. A Shift button accesses alternate control functions (including access to plug-in effects and instruments), much as it would on a computer keyboard, and the transport buttons work like those on a tape recorder or hard disk recorder.



Directly above the transport keys are function buttons 1 to 8 (which in Logic are set to access screen sets), Edit and Loop buttons (with LED indicators) plus Save and Undo buttons. The Save and Undo buttons also have status lamps that let you know when there is anything available to be saved or undone.

Within easy reach of the data wheel are four cursor buttons plus Zoom and Scrub functions: Zoom switches the function of the cursor keys while Scrub allows the Data wheel to be used for scrubbing if the host software supports that feature.

The remaining buttons are organised into further subsections and are located in the grey shaded area at the top right-hand corner of the front panel. Row one is dedicated to Mode controls. The Remote button tells the 01X to act as a controller for your DAW, with mixer layers directly selected using the dedicated buttons at the bottom of this section. In this mode, the functions are marked above the Mixer/Layer buttons. In Internal mode, by contrast, the Mixer/Layer buttons work according to the names printed beneath the buttons. A Monitor A/B provides a means to adjust the level of the stereo out from the 01X mixer and the output from the DAW software's mixer — pressing the switch toggles between the two functions.

Scene is a familiar concept to Yamaha mixer users and is used for storing and recalling mix scenes, which consist of a snapshot of all the fader levels, send levels, aux levels, channel On settings, channel Phase and Attenuation settings, dynamics, EQ, pan, Buss Outs, fader and mute Groups, Channel Pair status, effect type and settings, and input and output patch routings. Input and output patches must be stored in the patch library before they can be used within Scenes.

Moving down a row brings us to the Selected Channel button, which toggles between Selected Channel display mode and Multi Channel mode. In Selected Channel mode, the display shows multiple parameters for a single channel, whereas in Multi Channel mode, it shows a single parameter across eight channels. Sharing the same row are the four EQ buttons for accessing the Low, Low Mid, High Mid and High EQ sections, while the row below is given over to the Pan, Send, Dynamics, Group and Effect select buttons. It's all very familiar if you've used a Yamaha mixer even casually.

 

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Getting In Touch

Communication with the host software is bi-directional, which means that when the remote control layer is active, changing a setting on screen will update the 01X and changing an 01X control will update the screen settings. Track names in the host sequencer automatically show up in the 01X. When it's used as a mixer, the Mixer layer buttons enable the user to instantly switch between layers comprising three banks of eight channels or the master controls, whereas in DAW control mode, the same buttons can be used to move through banks of Audio tracks, MIDI tracks, Instrument tracks, Busses and Auxes, while a further Other button accesses additional features.

There are no dedicated meters, but the display is able to show both horizontal and vertical metering options. Using the Studio Manager software, the mixer setup can be automatically saved to your computer whenever you save a song, but the 01X data is stored in Studio Manager rather than in the song file itself, which is not the case with dedicated units such as Logic Control. The 01X Channel plug-in enables additional 01X virtual channels to be used within the host sequencer, and channel data can be copied in either direction using Studio Manager.


Using The 01X

I tested the 01X on my Mac G4 running OS 9.2, which meant using OMS to handle the MIDI configuration. It turned out that I need not have killed the chickens, boiled the garlic or prepared the crushed skulls, as this part of the installation turned out to be very simple and it worked first time (or maybe that was because of the garlic, chickens and so on!). When I plugged in the Firewire cable and booted up Logic, my sequencer of choice for testing, the 01X showed up as a new Logic Control and the two MIDI ports were available in the Environment for the connection of a master keyboard and slave modules. All the internal MIDI communication between the 01X and the host software is handled transparently so the user doesn't need to get involved. There are a few settings to make in the 01X, which must then be saved in the Utilities menu, but the installation guide walks you through this a step at a time and the whole installation takes only a few minutes. In fact I think the manual and support documentation warrants an honourable mention, as it takes you through the functions and operation of the unit in logical steps and also provides full tables of control functions, including those relating to the control of specific sequencers.


Once set up, I called up a software instrument in Logic, routed it to mLAN outputs 1 and 2 — and then scratched my head because I couldn't hear anything! A few seconds later the answer arrived in one of those 'doh!' moments — I'd been treating the 01X as a replacement for Logic Control, which to a large extent it is, but it is also a conventional digital mixer through which the outputs from the Logic mixer must pass. I had the instrument turned up in Logic and the 01X display meter showed signal was being received, but I hadn't turned up the faders in the audio layer — which was controlling the hardware 01X mixer through which my instrument was being fed. A quick visit to the mixer layer and that was soon remedied. Once I had set up suitable default channel settings for a typical song, I saved them as a Scene so I could get it back by recalling the Scene at any time. Other routing or mixing options can also be saved as Scenes, but you have to remember to save routing setups to the routing libraries before saving the Scene, or they won't come back as you might wish!

As with other Yamaha mixers, channels can be paired for stereo use, which links the faders, aux send levels, the EQ and any channel processing applied. Hitting the Sends button allowed me to adjust the send level being fed to the internal processors, and within seconds I had a nice concert hall reverb on the boil.

 

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It's surprising just how much you can control from this little box — I checked out the data wheel for moving the song position line and for scrubbing within Logic, which worked fine, and the cursor buttons for moving through the tracks or for zooming. No problem. The eight function buttons ran through the screen sets I'd set up in my Logic default song and a little key-prodding allowed me to step through the automation status of any selected Logic track. Other commonly used features such as markers and loop points are also accessible, but the 01X goes much further into Logic Control territory by allowing you to insert instrument or effect plug-ins and to adjust their parameters via the eight rotary encoders. Again all names and parameters are shown in the display, very much as they are in Logic Control. If I were to make one suggestion, it would be for Yamaha to include an expander mode emulation, so that existing owners of Logic Control or Mackie Control can use an 01X as an eight-fader expansion box as well as a mixer and audio interface.


For mixing down into Logic, the routing functions allow the stereo mix out to be fed back along the Firewire/mLAN cable into a stereo Logic channel, but you don't need to get into routing right away as the default is set up correctly for piping a Logic mix through the 01X and on to the stereo outs. A fast guide sheet is also provided to show how to set up other common routing requirements. You can also determine at the setup stage how many ins and outs you want to use with the 01X, so if you only plan on sending a stereo output from your computer's mixer, you don't have to look at lists of unused channels. In most cases, it's enough to send eight mLAN channels from your sequencer, as most mixes can be submixed into eight streams, and if you're using external synths, you can feed them into the mix via the eight analogue inputs of the 01X. In theory, instruments with mLAN outputs can be fed in to the mixer without the need for any expansion hardware up to the maximum channel capacity of the 01X, but I didn't have any mLAN instruments available to try.

I think the sound of Yamaha's EQ has improved somewhat since their early digital consoles, and having four fully parametric bands (where the high and low bands can also be set to shelving) is about as much power as anyone needs in that direction. The dynamics section also features a nice compressor that controls levels well without trashing the sound, but I couldn't find a gain-reduction meter, either on the unit or mentioned in the manual. I feel that leaving a gain-reduction meter off a compressor designed to be used by relative newcomers to audio processing is quite unforgivable, as it's the only guide you have that the amount of compression is in the right area. Gain-reduction metering is actually available in the Studio Manager software, but Yamaha have already taken note of my comments and have passed on the information to their design to team to see if it is possible to add gain-reduction metering during a subsequent 01X firmware update. This would be most welcome as with compressors as transparent as these, even the more experienced user might find it hard to fine-tune a setting purely by ear. What's more, although there are libraries full of preset compression settings that can be adjusted and re-saved as user settings, without a gain-reduction meter it's very hard to adjust the threshold of these presets to suit the signal being treated. These are minor quibbles, though, when weighed against what Yamaha have got right for the price, and the onboard effects processors are certainly worthy of praise.


Summing Up

The 01X combines the best elements of all the different add-ons you need to turn a computer-based digital audio workstation into a recording studio. Admittedly, it doesn't have a two-track recorder connection, and nor does it offer surround monitoring or any talkback facilities, but it does provide a superb multi-channel Firewire audio interface that sounds as good as the latest generation of stand-alone audio interfaces, two free MIDI ports, a full-spec Yamaha digital mixer with moving faders, snapshot automation and onboard effects and dynamics, with a serious control surface. It also comes with some seriously worthwhile plug-ins, Studio Manager software and even a Windows sequencer for those not already aligned to one of the existing major DAWs. Because connection is via a single Firewire cable, the 01X should be particularly attractive to anyone using laptops or slotless iMacs, but that doesn't preclude it from use with desktop machines as it offers a huge amount of well-thought-out, high-quality functionality at a bargain price. Anyone making music on a computer who hasn't yet bought a sophisticated audio interface or control surface should take a close look at this product.