Yamaha O1X: Ervaringen?

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System Requirements
On the PC platform, the 01X currently works with Windows XP (Professional or Home Edition) and requires a computer capable of running the host software, with an IEEE 1394 Firewire port. Mac users can run the 01X under Mac OS 9.2, though Classic Mode is not supported. OS X support is in development. Again, a Firewire port must be available, and in the case of laptops, Processor Cycling should be disabled.




OPTing In
OPT (Open Plug-in Technology) was announced by Yamaha at the Frankfurt Musikmesse in 2002 and was touted as a means of controlling external hardware from within the plug-in environment of the host sequencer of choice. As with all such standards, this relied for its success on the support of mainstream audio software manufacturers. Cakewalk and Sonic Foundry were early adopters of the protocol, which clearly pleased Yamaha, but the Apple Mac side took longer to get going, which meant companies such as Emagic and Steinberg were reluctant to get involved. Fortunately, with Mac OS X, it's a different story, as Yamaha's computer audio specialist Nick Howes explains.
"Now with OS X and its COM-like interface structures (COM is the Microsoft Component Object Model system, which OPT uses), Yamaha have been able to port OPT over to the Mac platform, and expect to have cross-platform OPT implementations of many products, such as Studio Manager, released this year. The integration this will provide a previously unheard-of level of hardware control from within a software sequencing environment for products like 01X, and other mLAN-based devices such as the Motif ES/mLAN16E. OPT will give us the total recall scenario with 01X that everyone wants for both the internal mixer and the remote layers, and will obviously benefit products like the 01V96 as well.
"Additionally, we have a Windows XP (and soon Macintosh) network driver due to debut at NAMM, and using this, the 01X will be able to send and return aux effects over mLAN to mLAN hardware devices, such as the Kurzweil KSP8. All four auxes can be routed in this way (the internal effects can be bypassed)."




Studio Manager
Yamaha's Studio Manager can be run as a stand-alone application or as a plug-in within any environment that supports the OPT (Open Plug-in Technology) format described in the box (facing page). Studio Manager allows routing and other mixer functions to be set up on screen, and also acts as an external library for any saveable settings. Using Studio Manager, it is also possible to copy settings from an 01X channel to its plug-in counterpart and vice versa. Studio Manager is particularly useful for setting up new patching assignments, as the 01X's long, narrow display isn't well suited to displaying the type of routing matrix we've come to expect in other Yamaha mixers. Effects may also be edited using Studio Manager.




Effects And Processors
The 01X features dynamics processing on every channel other than the stereo input, with a choice of compressor, expander, compander or ducker/gate. A dynamics library comes with the usual bewildering raft of presets, but editing is very straightforward, with full control over Threshold, Ratio, Attack, Release, Gain and Knee (in compressor mode). Parameter views can either show multiple parameters for the selected channel or a single parameter for all channels.
The effects sends are set up so that auxes 1 and 2 feed external effects, while sends 3 and 4 are, by default, reserved for feeding the internal effects, though all the sends can alternatively be routed externally via mLAN to be used as digital aux sends, as described in the box on OPT. Again, there's a whole library of effects to choose from, with a sensible number of editable parameters per effect. Both blocks have a similar repertoire of effects starting with numerous high-quality reverb algorithms, which cover all the usual room, hall plate, early reflection and non-linear varieties. There's also a good selection of mono and stereo delays and echoes, all the standard chorus/flange/phase/panner/tremolo modulation effects, plus Yamaha's own classic Symphonic Chorus. These are augmented by pitch-shifting, rotary-speaker emulation, ring modulation, filters and distortion/amp simulation. These single effects are also accompanied by a useful selection of dual effects which are mainly delay or reverb in combination with one other effect. The repertoire also includes multi-band dynamics, stereo reverb and a comprehensive stereo, three-band multi-filter. As far as I can tell, these effects are identical in structure and quality to the ones used in the 01V96 mixer and other recent Yamaha digital desks. Subjectively, all these effects are clean and clear, aside from those distortion effects that are clearly not meant to be, the pitch-shifting is as good as can be expected and the reverbs stand up very well alongside mid-price hardware units.
 
On The PC
Although some Firewire devices will run with Windows 2000 with Service Pack 3, the 01X will only run with Windows XP — a wise decision in my view, since XP has proved to be the most stable Microsoft OS for musicians. Also sensible is the recommendation of a 2.2GHz or faster processor, partly due to the current high overhead of the PC mLAN drivers (more on this later).
As always, I took the precaution of visiting the appropriate web site before installing any drivers — a wise move in this case since Yamaha had just posted a new version 1.3 of the mLAN driver and Tools for both Mac and PC in early January, which among other improvements supports Sleep, Hibernation, and Resume modes (these seem notoriously tricky for all Firewire devices to cope with), along with a new version of the Pitch Fix plug-in that cures a problem with excessive CPU load in Cubase SX 2.0.
After installation, PC users can select the best Mode for their audio software in the mLAN Driver Setup dialogue. There are three choices: ASIO is the best choice for Steinberg customers, while WDM is obviously more suited to Sonar users, and WDM(2CH)+ASIO is a special setting for certain sequencers such as Yamaha's own Windows-only SQ1, bundled with the 01X.
In fact, as Paul mentions in the main text, Windows users get quite a bit more software than Mac ones. SQ1 version 2 is a comprehensive MIDI + Audio sequencer with overall track view, piano-roll and list editors for its MIDI parts, master track, MIDI and audio mixers. It supports VST plug-ins and Instruments, and there's a MIDI mixer; an associated Audio Mixer application can also be installed separately after SQ1, as can the stand-alone Tiny Wave Editor — a handy little audio editor if you don't already have a more capable one. SQ1 also acts as a host application for OPT software, such as the 01X Studio Manager.
It didn't take me long to get up and running with the ASIO drivers and Cubase SX 2.0.1, and I experienced no problems even using the lowest 2ms buffer size and very low latency setting at 44.1kHz, giving me a reported input latency of 3ms and output latency of 4ms. The remote control functions also worked well (Yamaha use Cubase SX examples extensively in the 01X Owner's Manual), while the final ever Logic Audio release 5.5.1 on the PC is also reported to work fine with the 01X with the ASIO drivers.
Sonar users should currently stick with WDM drivers, as even with the latest Sonar version 3.01 patch, using ASIO drivers with the 01X resulted in sound breakup like gross distortion, as I also found they did in Wavelab 4.01. Yamaha are aware of this, and a driver release slated for February is expected to resolve the problem. Once I'd switched to WDM from the 01X Driver Setup window I managed Sonar's lowest 2.2ms effective latency at 44.1kHz with no glitching, and Wavelab also worked fine, although once you click on the Set button after selecting a new driver Mode I found it could take anything up to a minute to perform the changeover and reinitialise the 01X.
Within Sonar, you can use the View OP Panel function to launch the Motif Rack Editor, but unfortunately not Studio Manager (it gives a "Que in raw" error message). This is because Sonar only supports OPT Level 1 panels, so you have to launch the stand-alone version of Studio Manager, just as you do with most other applications other than Yamaha's own SQ1.
I got on well with the 01X's internal effects, and they can take a considerable load off your main processor. In particular, the reverbs sounded rich and smooth, and the four-band EQs fairly musical compared to some. The EQs are hard-wired before the dynamics section in the channel signal path, and although some people may miss the flexibility of being able to swap them over, Yamaha could possibly make this an option is a future firmware release. However, having the EQ first is the traditional approach with most multi-stage mastering plug-ins, and will work well in most situations.
Unfortunately, the CPU overhead of the PC mLAN driver is still currently rather higher than users (or Yamaha) would like. Even on my own 2.8GHz Pentium 4, with the default settings I experienced a cyclic CPU peak that rose to about 20 percent every couple of seconds, even before launching any audio application. It's important to realise that this isn't a fundamental problem with the 01X, since it doesn't happen with the Mac's OS 9.2 drivers. Some PC users have apparently also experienced additional CPU spikes, which Yamaha think may be DMA-related, and at the time of writing their engineers are working flat out to eradicate both problems — hopefully they will be history by the time you read this.
Overall, I was still most impressed, and at just £1230 the 01X is an absolute bargain considering it combines the functions of a soundcard, remote control, digital mixer and DSP effects unit.


:biertje:
 
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Trouwens wel een gaaf scheldwoord. Wah benne gij 'n verreke Yamaha zeg! Deh's nie!
Behringer op man!!! :D
 
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Jajaja, zo te horen wil je er ook wel 1 :)

Sterker nog, hij lig in z'n slaapzakje bij de muziekwinkel totdat die vrachtwagen hem af komt leveren. ;)
 
Origineel geplaatst door Kenny
Jajaja, zo te horen wil je er ook wel 1 :)

Ach, ik moet eerst maar eens zien of ze bij een muziekwinkel een beetje fatsoenlijke prijs neer kunnen zetten i.p.v. bijna 1600,-. Zal maar eens even langs fietsback feeden.
 
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Sterker nog, hij lig in z'n slaapzakje bij de muziekwinkel totdat die vrachtwagen hem af komt leveren. ;)


Vandaar dat ik zo'n last van mijn rug heb. Ik slaap al twee weken buiten op de grond ;)


(one week left and counting)
 
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System Requirements
On the PC platform, the 01X currently works with Windows XP (Professional or Home Edition) and requires a computer capable of running the host software, with an IEEE 1394 Firewire port. Mac users can run the 01X under Mac OS 9.2, though Classic Mode is not supported. OS X support is in development. Again, a Firewire port must be available, and in the case of laptops, Processor Cycling should be disabled.


Dat verhaal over "Processor Cycling", geldt dat ook voor PC (XP) of alleen voor Mac?
 
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Dat verhaal over "Processor Cycling", geldt dat ook voor PC (XP) of alleen voor Mac?

Bij Windows XP moet je (voorlopig) Hyperthread ondersteuning uitschakelen.
 
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Wat heeft dat voor gevolgen voor je systeem?

Dat kan ik niet uit eigen ondervinding vertellen want mijn computer heeft die ondersteuning niet eens. Dus ik heb daar geen problemen mee :D

Overigens, Yamaha heeft wel al 'beloofd' om dit issue in een volgende update aan te pakken en gezien de huidige samenwerking met Steinberg zal dat ook wel gebeuren ...ooit ;)
 
Thanks voor het artikel D-mike-E. :okdan:

Kheb de dvd ook al besteld op 01xray vanmorgen,
over paar weken ook eens langs fietsback feeden om zo'n 01x te halen als de "film" erover me bevalt :)

... (zouden ze in die dvd ook Nick Howes aan touwtjes laten rondvliegen in een studio en dan die touwtjes in de postpro uitgummen om nog beetje in stijl te blijven ;) of een duel op het einde tussen Nick en Bert) :mexico:
 
Die DVD is zeker leuk om te kijken. Valt een beetje tegen omdat ik iets meer in depth verwacht had. Maar goed, dat kan dus aan mij liggen.

Wat ik wel heel gaaf vind is het allerlaatste onderdeel: Frontpanel Overview. Een soort video-handleiding, waardoor je de machine al deels kent voor je hem hebt :)
 
Sjesus!

Ik zal blij zijn als jullie hem hebben zeg! :W
 
Ik de 01X laatst ook gezien, denk wel dat het m'n volgende aankoop gaat worden en m'n analoog tafeltje de deur uit doe..
 
Origineel geplaatst door fuse
Sjesus!

Ik zal blij zijn als jullie hem hebben zeg! :W


Begin dan maar vast, want gisteren heb ik hem gescoord bij Feedback.

En wie durft te zeggen dat je daar niet goed kunt omderhandelen en niet netjes behandeld wordt, die moet echt zijn ond gaan spoelen! Kreeg zelfs netjes wat te drinken :okdan:

Maar goed... ben wel een paar uurtjes zoet geweest om de drivers te installeren en update'n. Gewoon omdat het best wel wat handelingen zijn en je GOED moet lezen voor je de volgende stap maakt. Sommige zinnen in de verschillende (ook updated) manuals laten nogak wat te wensen over.

Maar daarna klinkt hij als een klok!

Vandaag nog even wat stoeien met de manual voor de hardware erbij, alvorens er serieus mee aan de slag te gaan.
 
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Bij Windows XP moet je (voorlopig) Hyperthread ondersteuning uitschakelen.

Ik heb lekker een AMD ;), tja, eigenlijk van de zotte dat die drivers nog steeds niet helemaal top zijn. Ik las vandaag de interface en daarin worden ook de hierboven genoemde haken en ogen beschreven. Ik vind het aanzetten en uitzetten van die driver echt helemaal een flop, tjonge M-lan in de kinderschoenen. En 12% constante processor belasting. Ik wordt er niet blij van als ik onder Far Cry (game) merk dat het niet lekker loopt. En nee, ik heb geen geld voor 2 pcees. Ik vind die 01x nog steeds interessant maar hoop snel dat de programmers van Yamaha hun foutjes goedmaken.
 
Het leuk is op dat mLancentral forum kun je met de programmeurs eigenhandig communiceren.

Enne gamen kan ik met m'n RME wel vergeten. Die ondersteund geen directsound.
En de onboard geluidskaart dus wel. Go figure!
 
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Het leuk is op dat mLancentral forum kun je met de programmeurs eigenhandig communiceren.

Enne gamen kan ik met m'n RME wel vergeten. Die ondersteund geen directsound.
En de onboard geluidskaart dus wel. Go figure!

Maarre.. het is toch niet zo verstandig om te gamen op je audio pc'tje??
Zet er dan een PS2 of Xbox naast..:eureka:
 
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Ik las vandaag de interface en daarin worden ook de hierboven genoemde haken en ogen beschreven. Ik vind het aanzetten en uitzetten van die driver echt helemaal een flop, tjonge M-lan in de kinderschoenen.

Dat uitschakelen van de drivers is juist goed... waarom zooi laten draaien als je het niet nodig hebt? En vergeet niet dat ALLES via die drivers loopt. Audio, midi, controller data, en dat dan meerdere sporen tegelijk heen en weer!

Daarnaast stond er in Interface dat je ook de Wordclock in de 01x iedere keer moet instellen. Dat is de grootste bullshit, aangezien je deze eenmaal instelt en vervolgens sla je die setting op. Dus uh... Interface... RTFM!

Vandaar dat ik maar een eigen Review hier op het forum geknald heb.
 
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