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(al wordt die door Rutherford bespeeld)Die turn it on again? is dat toevallig niet de lyceum (6 mei 1980 ) show? gewoon van de video daarvan? heb daar een gedeelte van zeg maar... zal straks ff foto poste van de seconds out tour en de trick tour met jawel bill bruford...
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Nee, het is een echte clip. Echt netjes afgewerkt met veel te veel lichten en glans en zo (kitsch) en ze staan er maar met z'n drieën, dus Rutherford bast alles met z'n voet en Collins zie je afwisselend achter de mic en achter de drums.
Ik heb trouwens een uur video van zowel de Trick-tour als de Second's Out-tour. Erg gaaf met Bruford op drums (Seconds out boeit niet echt eigenlijk); goede drummer is dat zeg (hoewel-ie bij Genesis natuurlijk netjes verstopt wordt). En Banks natuurlijk in zijn nachthemd... :confused:

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Hoeveel forum leden zijn er hier die ook zijn SOLO werk kennen? denk niet zoveel... en wat vind men van zijn solo werk?
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Ik! Ik heb geloof ik al zijn solo-werk op CD, behalve een tamelijk onbekende filmsoundtrack (die ik op een tapeje heb).
En wat ik ervan vind? Te vaak matig met een paar uitschieters. Zijn sterkste werk vind ik zijn eerste, een conceptelpee waar een paar mooie nummers op staan. The Fugitive vond ik zwak, maar Soundtracks wel weer goed. Daarop staat Lion of Symmetry, een nummer waarop Toyah Wilcox zingt en waarvoor ze ook de tekst heeft geschreven. Da's echt een fantastisch nummer. Ik ken de tekst ervan nog steeds uit mijn hoofd, zong vroeger graag mee :-) Daarna volgde Bankstatement (mwah) en Strictly Inc (nogmaals mwah).
Zijn beste werk stamt toch echt uit zijn vroege Genesis-tijd toen hij gewoon zijn gang ging en in zijn eentje voor een groot deel de muzikale koers van de band bepaalde. Vanaf het moment dat hij rekening ging houden met verkoopaantallen, platenmaatschappijwensen, etc. ging het duidelijk de verkeerde kant op.

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idd je hebt goede punten en ongeveer de zelfde mening. A curious feeling is echt sterk vind ik maar geen concept hoor![]()

); niet echt indrukwekkend of zo...Origineel geplaatst door 6 trak
volgens mij ben je genaaid![]()

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Nee, het is een echte clip. Echt netjes afgewerkt met veel te veel lichten en glans en zo (kitsch) en ze staan er maar met z'n drieën, dus Rutherford bast alles met z'n voet en Collins zie je afwisselend achter de mic en achter de drums.
). Aardig wat dingen zijn dus tijdens rehearsels en ff snel opgenomen. Turn it on again, Follow you follow me, Abacab, Throwing it all away. Allemaal de genesis 3 op het podium tijdens rehearsel ofzo...Origineel geplaatst door Slipperman
En waarom a curious feeling een concept. Zie de concept er echt niet achter. From the undertow is overigens de intro voor Genesis' Undertow (ATTW3) Die 2 horen bij elkaar maar goed phil wilde het niet erop dus kwam het ook niet. Anders werd dat een enorm tony album...
)A Curious Feeling/The Waters Of Lethe
Tony Banks' A Curious Feeling is probably one work in the Genesis canon most deserving of explanation. As it happens, the album A Curious Feeling, and its song inspired by mythology, The Waters Of Lethe, are inseparably connected.
Originally, the Lethe was one of two rivers in the underworld of Greek and Roman mythology (the other was the more widely known Styx). Dante took this name and used it in his works about the Christian ideas of Hell, Purgatory, and Paradise. The Lethe was the river of forgetfulness. Tony is talking about the Lethe in its older peagan mythological sense. The album A Curious Feeling was going to be entitled The Waters Of Lethe (and cf. the name of the painting, 'Wuluwait, The Boatman Of The Dead'), but Tony Banks changed his mind and went with a title that demanded less explanation. In connection with the concept of the album, Tony is quoted by Armando Gallo in his book (written before Duke came out, right after the 1979 solo albums were finished) as saying: "...I originally wanted to call the album The Waters Of Lethe, which is the second river of the Underworld, the River of Forgetfulness, but then I knew I would have to explain to virtually everybody what Leathe [sic] was, so I decided not to. It's a pity in a way because I think it would have been better [and a? my photocopy of the book book has a smudge here] more accurate title and it's more specific. It tells you that it's an album about a person losing his memory. I kept it very ambiguous but 'The Lie' which is the most complex lyric where all the action takes place, is the one that has to be understood to understand the album. The rest of the songs with the exception of 'Someone Else's Dream' work on their own..."
Unfortunately, Tony was proven right, and it is doubtful that even the original title would have helped much. The lyrics are almost too ambiguous for anyone not "in the know" to be able to figure out the concept -- or even that it is upposed to be a concept album – based on just the lyrics. The album was a concept album about someone losing his memory, or in fact his mind as the account below tells (even Tony seems to be waffling on the exact specific concept based on these two quotes).
Finding an occurrence of Banks talking about his album is quite difficult all by itself, and because of that the following quote from an interview conducted by The Waiting Room (brought to the editor's attention by Bill Brink) is presented. It augments the rather slight treatment of the album in Gallo's book. It is one of the longest and most detailed explanations of A Curious Feeling that Banks has ever provided.
TWR: "With the overall storyline, a concept album in 1979 was a brave step, but what made you choose the idea of a man consciously losing his mind as the main concept for the album?"
TB: "Well I have to say that I originally wrote the thing to go with the story Flowers For Algernon, which was a science fiction story that was made into a film called Charlie at some point I think. It's about a man losing his mind and he describes it in his diary. He's a simple person who through some scientific breakthrough is able to get more and more intelligent and he gets more and more intelligent until in the end the treatment stops working and he goes back to where he was at the beginning. It's a very sad story and it made a very good basis for an album. At the time I was doing this music I rang up the guy whose story it was to see if it was OK to use his story. He said, "I have to tell you that there's a musical coming out in London based on this story", and of course I had no idea if the musical was going to be a success or not. I actually went to see the show and it wasn't bad but it ran for a week! I could have easily stuck with it. I wish in a way that I had because some of the Lyrics I could keep the same. Most of the stuff on side two - You and Somebody Else's Dream was very much part of that. The main songs that had to change were The Lie and After The Lie, which obviously was the scene setter and I had to find another way for a person to be losing his mind which was beyond his control or that he felt was beyond his control. So this idea of some sort of mental thing that was probably more in his own mind than any where else which caused him to go through this change. I liked the idea of the songs, the way in which they reflect the idea of this person going through this terrible sense of loss and knowing that he's going and to see what he's feeling at the time. In terms of a concept album, I always felt that Genesis were so out of tune with what was considered mainstream so I really didn't think twice - I wanted to do it. I thought that with The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway the one fault that it had was that the story was much too complicated and therefore didn't allow the music to express the mood of the story because you didn't know what was happening next; it was too episodic, so I wanted something that had a much simpler tale to tell which people could understand. It had moments that I think anyone could relate to the concept of anyone losing their mind in that way and all the things that it would lead to, particularly in terms of relationships. "
The entirety of the memory loss concept seems to be embodied in the following three lines:
So if you should ever fall in love
You'll not only not be wise,
You'll lose your memory and most of your mind
The lines are very explicity to one "in the know", and the significance of them is utterly lost on anyone who does not already know the concept. (Liner notes would have helped listeners orient themselves and would have given them a fighting chance at deducing the concept.) The "not only be wise" part and "most of your mind" seems to corroborate the loosing ones mind concept as well as the memory loss concept. You is apparently the act of falling in love, and Someone Else's dream the aftermath. It is difficult to place After The Lie and A Curious Feeling in this scheme, since they appear chronologically to take place after You.